sexual thoughts and shocks

topic posted Sun, December 9, 2007 - 11:16 AM by  PIRATE!

i have a friend ( my ex boyfriend) who gets a a little sudden shock when he thinks of somehting sexually stimulating. it wasnt something big but more of the same reaction your body would get if somebody scared you or perhaps less than that. but it was a sudden impulse movment. this only happened when we would be fooling around, doing nothing sexual and his mind would just be thinking things. it never happened when we actually performed sexual acts.

he has not told me if he has seen sombody about it.
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PIRATE!
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  • Re: sexual thoughts and shocks

    Sun, December 9, 2007 - 5:31 PM
    If it's interrupting his day to day life, it likely would be good to see someone about it. I have lot of thoughts of possible reasons for this but I do not think any clinician could say why without sitting down and sorting through some things with him. And it would likely take a bit of time to really work it through so that he doesn't have this reaction anymore.

    It's nice to know it doesn't stopping you two from having sex, though!
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      Mon, December 10, 2007 - 4:51 AM
      hmmm. it doesnt interupt his day to day life, only when he thinks of things sexually.
      I've asked him if he would be interesting in seeing sum1 about it and he just says he doesnt need to.

      could you tell me any possible things it could be?
      I dont really care about it, it doesnt bother me but i really think he should know what it is because i'm afraid it might develop into somehting else as he gets older ( he's 21)
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        Tue, December 11, 2007 - 8:39 PM
        Well, keep in mind this is just my musings and I don't have a clear idea at all about what he is going through or what his history is. I am thinking of things that would cause him to feel shocked at himself for thinking sexual thoughts. Like experiences growing up that linked sexuality and a sense of shock so that they became connected within himself.

        Along that line ..... it could be a result of growing up in a sex negative household where sexuality was condidered bad and discussed as such. Maybe it was actively discouraged, like masterbation in victorian times. Or a sexual abuse Hx - thinking sexual thoughts could link his thoughts to repressed or dissociated sexual abuse memories and the proximity of the two ( I mean one thought linking with the other in an associative sort of manner) could cause a sense of disembodied shock. Maybe it was just a sex absent household where sexuality was erased and everything was sort of shiny and sterile.

        Lots of possibilities here.
  • Re: sexual thoughts and shocks

    Sat, December 15, 2007 - 4:35 PM
    I don't think it's a good idea to try to get or give counseling in this kind of format. I was under the impression that this is supposed to be a tribe for mental health professionals and those considering the field?
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      Sat, December 15, 2007 - 6:57 PM
      To that end, if the phenomenon isn't a problem--if it doesn't affect his ability to connect with others, why worry about it? If it is a problem--that is, if he wholly acknowledges it's a problem, he should be talking to an in-person professional about it.
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        Sat, December 15, 2007 - 10:14 PM
        Exactly Mickey, sexual feelings and reactions to sexual feelings are only problematic if they create some kind of barrier to relationship, social functioning, occupation or become an overt internal conflict of some sort.
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          Sat, December 15, 2007 - 10:26 PM
          What bothers me is that Pirate! essentially asks for diagnosis/ discussion for a problem that isn't hers. She admits she wants to be able to talk to the guy about it, and he's already said he doesn't want to see anyone about it. What then is there for any professional here to diagnose/discuss? Even if you wanted to volley around some possibilities, it wouldn't be a peer-to-peer discussion.

          Slighly less weird, but weird nonetheless is to see Pirate! saying she thinks "he should know what it is because i'm afraid it might develop into somehting else as he gets older..." It seems Pirate! can't let go of a thing that isn't hers, anyway. By her own admission, the sexual-shock thing isn't a problem. Which leads me to my first question. What the heck is there to discuss?
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            Sat, December 15, 2007 - 10:36 PM
            You ask, "What the heck is there to discuss?" I think you have answered your question and the answer is the discussion is about Pirate.
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              Mon, December 17, 2007 - 4:36 AM
              the tribe read 'counsellors' i thought it was meant to give advice from people who were experienced in thier field....not throw it back in thier face.

              yes it is not my problem, but isnt it normal to be worried about a loved one?
              yes it is!

              i was only seeking help because i was worried it may be linked to something that could harm him....he's a very prideful person....going to see somebody would be a big step for him, so too ease that anxiousness i told him i would look online, which he agreed to.

              I looked in various places but didnt find the answers i was looking for....so he thought of asking somebody on tribe would be perfect because it saves money and both of us could get straight to the point.

              thankyou katie for showing interest in answering my question. that was very thoughtful of you.
              you other guys on the other hand....even if this is a tribe for those wanting to enter into the field....your pretty uneasy about practising what your taught.
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                Mon, December 17, 2007 - 2:07 PM
                You need to understand that it is unethical for counselors to diagnose someone whom they are not treating, and to try to provide advice online in this kind of format. As in, people could be sued or get a grievance filed against them for providing what you appear to be looking for.

                Also, it is somewhat disrespectful to assume that professionals will provide you with free therapy in order to "save money." Those of us who are licensed and have the advanced degrees needed for practicing as counselors have spent enormous amounts of time and money to get our skills and prove our competence.

                If you or your partner need low-cost therapy, you could ask for resources and I imagine people would be glad to point you to them. I might suggest asking at universities in your area whether they have any kind of psychology, counseling, family therapy, or social work programs that operate a clinic where graduate students can see clients to get their training hours.
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                  Mon, December 17, 2007 - 6:16 PM
                  you could have told her where she could find help or if there were any sites on the internet that could help or books.
                  you could have told her to talk to her doctor.

                  you can always provide resources.

                  I wrote a topic on this tribe when i was in a horrible situation, hoping for resources not counciling and i was ignored.

                  You could have even direct us to a tribe that may want to help.
                  that isn't hard. should I send you a payment now?
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                Mon, December 17, 2007 - 2:35 PM
                < you other guys on the other hand....even if this is a tribe for those wanting to enter into the field....your pretty uneasy about practising what your taught. >

                Did you read the tribe description? I think everyone here is praciticing what we're taught. Mistakes and all.
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                  Tue, December 18, 2007 - 6:05 AM
                  thanx sugar for pointing that out.
                  all i really wanted was an IDEA of what it COULD be connected to, and anything i could check out that would point me in a direction where i would be able to say ' ok, maybe this is whats wrong, he should see this kind of person'.
                  I wasnt asking for a free 'session' or whatever.....i just needed to know if there were other people out there experiencing the same thing adn if it had a name so i could research it for him.

                  its not a problem for me...i really dont mind, yet i'm worried adn so is he that it might be connected to something else....like a short fuse or something lol.
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                    Re: sexual thoughts and shocks

                    Tue, December 18, 2007 - 6:12 AM
                    <<<Also, it is somewhat disrespectful to assume that professionals will provide you with free therapy in order to "save money." Those of us who are licensed and have the advanced degrees needed for practicing as counselors have spent enormous amounts of time and money to get our skills and prove our competence.>>>

                    it is also disrespectfl to assume something that is probably only a generated thought of a reaction from reading my comment.
                    i didnt ASK for a session. i only wanted advice and any clues that could point me in the right direction.
                    perhaps i should have pointed that out earlier so i didnt have to get you all tangled up in a huff.
                    besides....spending money to obtain your degrees is hard yes....but its nothing if it isnt inside you.
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                      Tue, December 18, 2007 - 9:35 AM
                      the said themselves why, because there are not here to help people. They are in the BUSINESS of helping people.
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                        Tue, December 18, 2007 - 5:12 PM
                        It's about ethics. We are bound by a code of ethics. We could lose our licenses for malpractice. This scenario violates several mandates.
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                          Tue, December 18, 2007 - 6:01 PM
                          there are other tribes where free advice is given...such as various astrology tribes, or even a tribe i belong to that is called Free Advice.

                          My understanding is that this tribe is for people in the profession to discuss matters between professionals (or those on their way) such as issues that come up in sessions - say countertransference - or where to go to school, etc.

                          however, this is actually not specifically stated in the tribe description.

                          maybe Geri should specifically state that this tribe is not about giving out free psychotherapy advice. maybe even make it a closed tribe so there is no confusion about it.
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                            Wed, December 19, 2007 - 4:36 AM
                            yes maybe that is true.

                            altho i never stated that i was looking for 'free therapy' lol.

                            i was only wanting to know if anybody had known someone withthe same symteoms and if there was actually a name for it.

                            I never asked for therapy...only advice with what it could possibly be.

                            I know its hard to make an assesment without sitting him down and talking about it....but i wasnt asking for that.....i just wanted to know if there was an actualy name for this kind of behavior.

                            its like, if i said i had a fever and my throat was hurting....you could say that it may be a sore throat.....you wouldnt sit me down and ask about where i had been adn wat i had been doing that may have caused it....you just say those symptons relate back to a sore throat.

                            thats all i was asking for.
                            and i know you cant give a diagnosis and watever cus its illegal but i was never expecting that.....just a few ideas if this was an actual issue with people and if it had a name.

                            I'm sorry if my simple question gave you confusion : )
                            • Re: sexual thoughts and shocks

                              Wed, December 19, 2007 - 7:50 PM
                              Pirate I am sorry your question has raised so many negative responses. I am a licensed therapist and I just want to end my participation by saying if your friend has a problem then encourage him to seek help for it. What ever happens remember he needs to believe it is a problem before anyone can help him.
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                                Wed, December 19, 2007 - 8:03 PM
                                Sam,

                                I'm in agreement.

                                _____________________________________________________________

                                I'm not a licensed therapist. but i am filled with common sense (sometimes)
                                pirate, things are only a problem when they cause a person to not get on with their daily life. I highly doubt this is life threatening, Some people just have quirky behavior, and because he doesn't think it is a problem, I think the only thing you can do is say, if you want to talk about it I'm here.

                                If you want, you can encourage him to get checked out by his doctor or tell him you will help him find someone to talk to.


                                and no pirate you don't have pay me for that advice it is on the house.
                          • Re: sexual thoughts and shocks

                            Wed, December 19, 2007 - 7:59 PM
                            whatever kali,

                            I think that if someone does come here with a problem you don't have to give them FREE advice, you can however, point them in a direction that could help them without it be unethical.

                            like if you know of websites that discuss the topic or if you think it might help to talk to their doctor.

                            That is a better and more ethical way to view your profession than just, if this person is paying me or not.




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                              Wed, December 19, 2007 - 9:38 PM
                              It's like this. You're right, help is always nice to get. But pretend for a minute that I run a garage--I'm a mechanic. I'm a professional. People come to me to fix their problems. And if a car drives out of my garage and blows up, I'm in a lot of trouble. Trouble I can get sued for--lose my license and livelihood. Not a good thing for anybody, mechanics and counselors included, which is why I have to be careful in handling the cars that come into my garage.

                              So let's pretend for a moment that a car comes into my shop and that driver says, "I think the guy who was just driving down the street front of me has a problem with his catalytic converter," they may be right, and I may get a chance to look at that converter, but herein must point out two things:

                              1) The fellow with the broken catalytic converter didn't ask to be seen for that problem, and pointing out or casting opinions on a "broken thing" in a psychological context is nothing at all like doing it in a garage. Moreover, the problem may be something else entirely, and all I've got is the driver's hearsay that there's a problem. The fellow with the broken catalytic converter hasn't provided any information whatsoever. Heck, he's never been in my garage. Furthermore, if I say to the concerned driver, "You may be right, here's X and Y and Z as information to take back to the table." I may be doing more harm than good. Let me repeat that: I may, in casting an unqualified opinion on something, may be doing more harm than good.

                              2) If the driver who voiced a concern, the one pointing at the catalytic converter, fails to notice he/she has a flat tire on her own car, I'm going to point that out. She is then free to do with that information what she will, wether she wants to discuss it in my shop, or drives down the highway for several miles before choosing to address it.

                              So what then, is there to say? "Go read a book on catalytic converters?" What if that's not even it? Clearly "Go read a book on flat tires." is offensive.

                              Now then, there are plenty of "helping" tribes out there who will listen to the issue and cast a wide variety of dispersions and opinons on any problem, mechanical or otherwise. This tribe is not among them. And for that matter, this tribe doesn't really see that much traffic (not that this point is germaine to the current discussion). Those tribes may have plenty of people who can help you fix a tire or a catalytic converter any number of ways. But if your car blows up, who is then responsible? What book would you like to read then?
                              • Re: sexual thoughts and shocks

                                Thu, December 20, 2007 - 5:38 PM
                                MICKEY.


                                say someone from out of the country can't get to your GARAGE to help with their car problems.

                                you would tell them, try to look for a garage in your area that has a certain certification, there are are website that will help you find one. TRY THE YELLOW PAGES. yada yada.

                                you could also say, there are do it yourself books on auto mechanics, if that is what you are up for.




                                PEOPLE can fix their own cars and have.
                                and people CAN fix their own problems and they have.

                                ONCE AGAIN WE NEVER ASKED FOR FREE ADVICE.
                                • Re: sexual thoughts and shocks

                                  Thu, December 20, 2007 - 6:09 PM
                                  I think now maybe you are angry and are looking for a reason to yell.
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                                    Thu, December 20, 2007 - 8:21 PM
                                    i think you should re look at why you entered the field of counseling,

                                    was it just a business decision?

                                    do you really think that not linking people to resources such as non profit organizations is unethical?

                                    Do you know what ethics is? do you really believe that ethics is just about not being sued?
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                                      Fri, December 21, 2007 - 7:22 AM
                                      I actually chair the board of a local, mental health nonprofit.

                                      And given the hostility of your questioning, would only repeat myself. I think you want to be angry.
                                      • Re: sexual thoughts and shocks

                                        Fri, December 21, 2007 - 10:02 AM
                                        you are forgetting one thing Mickey.
                                        You can't read Emotion, you can't determine what someone feels online.

                                        i don't really need the questions answered anymore actually. I got my answer on another a thread in another tribe.

                                        The topic was ethics,
                                        you wrote:

                                        "I may be disagreeing with the others. (And before I go further, I am not a licensed professional. I got the degrees in Counseling Psychology, never really pursued licensure, and do not work in the field of applied mental health any more. I love the subject matter, particularly ethics.)

                                        Now then, Sienna correctly says: "Since your friend knows you're not licensed, and since you're not charging her money, and since you are not diagnosing her, prescribing to her, or doing anything else but offering friendly advice based on your own experience, I'd say tell whats-his-face that he's out of line and you're not doing anything wrong. AMAF, your friend is lucky to have a friend like you right now, and you could be the make or break point for her if you pull out now. "

                                        You don't have to be a professional to show poor ethical behaviors. In Trinity's case, she may be behaving unethically.

                                        For example: It would be unethical for me to say to my friend "I'm not a doctor, but I'm smart and I know a few things, and that bruising all over your legs will go away if you rub some deep-heating ointment on it."

                                        Should I go on?"



                                        Thanks!
                            • Re: sexual thoughts and shocks

                              Wed, December 19, 2007 - 9:54 PM
                              sugar

                              it has nothing to do with money.

                              it has to do with how i viewed this tribe. i thought it was for the professionals to discuss things that come up in the field.

                              if not then i'm fine with whatever people want to do. this issue seemed to create such an issue, i suggested closing it off. i don't really care either way, to be honest.
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                                Thu, December 20, 2007 - 5:18 AM
                                hmmm, i dont think people have really understood where i have been coming from.
                                I only wanted to know if people had heard of a similar condition...or anything that could give me an idea...like if it actually was a problem that had a name...

                                Its not as if you give me a name of what it could be and it isnt it and i sue you for it...there wouldnt be anything to say against becus it was merely an idea....and if you dont know then thats fine. I just wnated to know if this was a condition that was aparent in some people.

                                I'm sorry, i should have rephrased my question properly.

                                and kali, it was quite hard to figure out what exactly this tribe was for...because it said counsellors and i automatically assumed people could help....maybe a new name like career counsellors or somthing like that would give a better idea.

                                but anyway, i just want to make it very clear that I DO NOT WANT FREE HELP OR A DIAGNOSIS OR TO BE GIVEN A THERAPY SESSION!

                                lol....ok....do we all understand that now?

                                i hope so...

                                so with that out of the way....

                                is there any similar conditions that could be related to this?
                                i know people who have been abused before can have slight shocks from memory....Is similar links to this always the cause for shocks?

                                or does anyody know of a book or something that is to do with thoughts and reactions?

                                because i would close this off, but it seems to be becoming more aparent now with him....i've talked to him and he wont see sum1....he's only content with looking online.

                                again, sorry for any inconvienience : )
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                                  Thu, December 20, 2007 - 8:58 AM
                                  pirate
                                  it sounds like he is ok with the way things are. you can't give or get help for someone that doesnt want it.

                                  maybe you are the one that could use some support around this! maybe ask yourself if you want to be in a relationship with someone who has this "condition", whatever it may be. it definitely seems to be bothering you more than him.
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                                    Tue, December 25, 2007 - 6:44 AM
                                    1) he does want help but is too busy and dsnt want to fuss around with seeing sum1..therefore only wants to look online becus its quick and easy and if we could actually FIND ANYTHING that might be already online about it, whether that be ppl with the same condition...or even a certain name for wat it could be or even if those things even existed!

                                    2) i'm not in a relationship with him anymore altho we are very close friends and this is something he does want to find out about it yet wants me to help him becus i'm more 'online savy' than he is.

                                    3) it doesnt bother me. what bothers me is wondering if it could be connected to something else that may be harmful to him....thats why we are looking online.

                                    so again i rephrase my question.

                                    "does this sound familiar and if so is there a certian name for it?
                                    if not, is there any other source ( book, person, website) that may provide info about why people get shocks connected to brain waves or thoughts? all i wanted was something i could research....if none of you know what it is, then maybe its an extreme case where he may jst have to find out by person to person"